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Larry Nebel and June live in California, USA. He was 65 when he was diagnosed in September, 2007. His initial PSA was 4.60 ng/ml, his Gleason Score was 9, and he was staged T3a. His choice of treatment was Brachytherapy (High Dosage with EB and ADT). Here is his story.

THERE WAS NO RESPONSE TO AN UPDATE REMINDER IN 2017 SO THERE IS NO UPDATE.

When I found out that I had Prostate cancer I had a relatively low low PSA (4.6) but had Gleason 9 cancer 100% involved in all six biopsy cores and my Urologist could not look at me while he explained my situation. He did say that he could not operate and had consulted with a world class brachytherapy radiologist at UCSF - but I could not get not see him for over two months so my wife an I set forth on a quest to find an even better world class Doctor - and we were fortunate to find two working together.

After several false starts we found Dr. Robert Nagourney who was working with Dr. Nisar Syed at the Todd Cancer institute at Long Beach Memorial Hospital. Each of these Doctors is absolutely world class and together they are an unbeatable team.

I joined a Phase 2 clinical trial under the direction of Dr. Nagourney which started with aggressive hormone therapy - five months of Casodex, Finasteride and Lupron followed by Chemotherapy and HDR (High Dosage Radiation) Brachytherapy with Hyperthermia - this was then followed by Chemotherapy with Tomo external beam radiation for five weeks.

The results so far have been spectacular - PSA is .02 and all side effects (except libido) are long gone four weeks after treatment was completed

I'm convinced that they have cured me - although only time will actually prove it to the world.

LarryHN

Later:

After my diagnosis I looked into various treatments and quickly found a consensus that the standard of treatment for my aggressive cancer was hormone therapy (ADT) followed by HRD Brachytherapy and then external beam radiation. This was recommended by four radiation oncologists, my urologist and two medical oncologists.

From there I wanted to fine tune the treatment and find the best Doctors - after a great deal of research and appointments (interviews) with three radiation oncologists and two medical oncologists I decided on a phase two trial which included the consensus care using Tomotherapy for the external beam radiation and adding Chemotherapy to the mix. Then it got interesting - one of the radiation oncologists who does not have access to a Tomo IMRT (Intensity Modulated Radiation Therapy) system greatly downplayed the value of Tomo vs his IMRT and a second one actually tried to convince me not to use Tomo but to use his IMRT - in the first case I believe that the Dr truly felt that his methods were very adequate (and they probably are - but I wanted any extra edge that Tomo would give me) but in the second case I believe that he simply wanted my business to help pay for his expensive machine and was not seriously considering my welfare - I found this very upsetting.

Additionally the first medical oncologist I went to was even more aggressive (and in my opinion out of line).

On our (my wife was with me at all appointments - and treatments - her support and insight is invaluable) first visit we really liked MO1 (medical oncologist number 1) - he put us in touch with two great radiation oncologists and we felt good about his involvement.

On our next visit where I was strongly leaning toward the phase two trial (which he would have been involved in for the ADT but not for the chemo or radiation) he got really weird as I discussed the phase two trial. He stated that the Chemo was not an approved treatment and that my insurance would not cover it and suggested that if I went into the trial even my radiation might not be covered. He stated that for us to do the trial might cost us $70,000 or more that the insurance would not cover (we now know for sure that this is not true since we have completed the treatments and they were all covered). He then said "you know what the purpose of a phase 2 trial is don't you? They want to find out if you die."

WOW! Also during the discussion he wrote out a prescription for the ADT drugs and told me to fill it and start and scheduled a visit to administer the Lupron shot. We left and decided that we could never use him for anything after this performance and checked with the Phase 2 oncologist who said that if I had started the ADT I would not have been eligible for the trial since one requirement of the trial is no metastatic disease being found in a Prostascint scan which could not be done after the beginning of ADT.

Bottom line is we had two very nasty doctor experiences where I believe the doctors did not give me good advice but gave me advice to try to get my business without regard to the value of the treatment to me and curing me.

So this makes me more that ever appreciate the value of the Internet and of sites like YANA where you can do independent research and talk to people who do not have an economic interest in your decision. I was - and am still - shocked at the attempt of these doctors to scare me into using them.

UPDATED

November 2008

Getting ready for second quarterly follow up since completion of treatment - PSA was .02 at end of treatment - .07 at first quarterly follow up and .05 now - side effects from radiation seem minor.

UPDATED

August 2009

Looking good - met with my initial urologist today for some radiation side effects and he literally expressed amazement that I was still alive - much less apparently cured - he is extremely impressed with what Dr. Nagourney and Dr. Syed have accomplished (as am I) - about three times in different ways he said he was amazed that I was alive - once he actually said that - and he could not believe that almost 18 months after my last hormone therapy treatment that my PSA is essentially undetectable at 0.03.

So I feel very fortunate and happy that I found two of the very best doctors in the world and have had such an outstanding outcome to a very significant disease.

UPDATED

December 2012

Just went past 5 years after treatment for Gleason 9 prostate cancer - treatment by Dr Nagourney at Rational Therapeutics "cured" my cancer - a cancer that was clearly a death sentence.

Life is good

Larry Nebel

UPDATED

January 2014

Another year - everything is great - Dr. Nagorney and Dr. Siad saved my life.

Thanks,
Larry

UPDATED

February 2015

Cured by Dr. Robert. Nagourney - Rational Therapeutics - Long Beach CA

UPDATED

March 2016

Cured by Dr Nagourney -- http://www.rational-t.com

Larry's e-mail address is: larryhn AT alco.com (replace "AT" with "@")

NOTE: Larry has not updated his story for more than 15 months, so you may not receive any response from him.


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